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sumplug
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 15 Dec 2009 : 10:20:39
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Thats a nice looking Escort!!
Andy.  |
Fiat Coupe 20vt
Audi A6 Avant 4.2 Sport LPG
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parrish
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United Kingdom
592 Posts |
Posted - 15 Dec 2009 : 10:28:21
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Yes i hope no one minds pictures of 'Blue Oval' cars on this forum.
The car has a few issues as i mentioned but the body shell is imaculate, outer panels have a few small chips and dings.
Front and back bumpers arent straight they are slightly bent.
Original Radio Fitted with the Original Ford aerial still in one piece still in the original wing!!
When the car came over from Germany the owner must have changed the dials from KM to MPH by installaing a set of Main gauges from a Turbo, my intention is to change them back keeping the car as original as possible, having said that it has the wrong back box on the exhaust at the moment.
I think when the car was laid up in the 80's -90's the owner must have used the rear load space as storage as its the rear seat's and trim panels that seem to have suffered from mould.
Lovely car to drive.
Steve |
Cars and bikes owned:
1983 Fiat 131,
1997 BMW Z3,
1984 XR3i,
2007 Fiesta Ghia,
2007 Harley Sportster (for sale)
2007 Sport KA
Plus three Grandchildren!
Looking for a Ferrari. |
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julian
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
2834 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2009 : 08:52:19
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| I'm frankly amazed, I never thought I'd see another one of those in that kind of condition after 1986 when they stopped making them (or at least selling them)! |
1998 Seicento 600M - extreme version
2000 Ford Explorer LPG'd up but well and truely f****d
1978 Replica Icsunonove w/Uno Turbo power (250bhp+ and 600kg)
2009 Abarth 500 |
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sumplug
Moderator
United Kingdom
5112 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2009 : 12:22:06
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Originally posted by julian
I'm frankly amazed, I never thought I'd see another one of those in that kind of condition after 1986 when they stopped making them (or at least selling them)!
There are a number of Escort 1600 Turbos's around, fetching serious money these days. And some are concourse.
Never thought we would talk about Fords on here. Lol 
Andy.. |
Fiat Coupe 20vt
Audi A6 Avant 4.2 Sport LPG
??? Wait and see!!
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parrish
Moderator
United Kingdom
592 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2009 : 13:57:24
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Cars,
love them or hate them, if you love them you tend to appreciate most manufacturers products, i like to think of myself as a classic car enthusiast, however i draw the line at the "Moskvitch" remember that one!!!! what a horrible car that was, i would be very very very surprised if one of those cars lasted more than 4 years.
I did own a 'Wartburg 353' at one time! 3 cylinder 2 stroke engine, 3 sets of points with the distributor mounted on the front of the crank! (timing could never be out) 3 x Coils, and in my case 3 x motorcycle carburettors, nothing could beat it 0-30mph!!!!! 16K RPM! oh and a tractor chassis! built like a tank, pity the body work didnt last
Heres a list of previously owned vehicles:
THOUGHT YOU MAY FIND THIS LIST INTERESTING
CARS AND BIKES I HAVE OWNED IN 32 YEARS.
1) Escort Mk1 (1100) FPT 293G
2) Wartburg Knight VXG 850N
3) Mini
4) Standard 10 PHO 128
5) Citreon GS (Pallas)
6) Escort Mk1 (RS1600) DAT 386K
7) Yamaha DT 175
8) Morris 1000 traveler 1195 DD
9) MGB GT OHN 390L
10) MG 1300 MKII LEC ????
11) BMW 520i AEW ????
12) Unimog 303
13) Volvo 244 DL
14) Vauxhall Chevette
15) Land rover series 1 FUV 465
16) Lotus Excel
17) Morris 1000 saloon LSU 131
18) Triumph Herald
19) RR Silver Shadow MIB 8950
20) Ford KA
21) BSA A10 SSY?
22) BSA Bantam
23) Bond mini car
24) Peugeot 106
25) Ford Orion.
26) Nissan Micra
27) AUDI
28) Silver Fiat
29) Orange Fiat
30) Rover 216
31) Ford Fiesta
32) BMW Z3
33) Harley Davidson 883R
34) 1984 XR3i
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Cars and bikes owned:
1983 Fiat 131,
1997 BMW Z3,
1984 XR3i,
2007 Fiesta Ghia,
2007 Harley Sportster (for sale)
2007 Sport KA
Plus three Grandchildren!
Looking for a Ferrari. |
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julian
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
2834 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2009 : 14:14:04
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quote:
Originally posted by sumplug
quote:
Originally posted by julian
I'm frankly amazed, I never thought I'd see another one of those in that kind of condition after 1986 when they stopped making them (or at least selling them)!
There are a number of Escort 1600 Turbos's around, fetching serious money these days. And some are concourse.
Never thought we would talk about Fords on here. Lol
Andy..
I know they are out there but short of the various shows it isn't the sort of thing you see out on the roads any more. Was never a fan of the turbo version but the early XR3i was a bit of a revolution even if it wasn't a particularly good car - my parents had a facelift '86 car. We also had a Sierra Ghia 4x4 and that was a great car for its time - once we got the right suspension fitted (the factory fitted the wrong parts - not even a complete set, just 4 different spring/dampers combinations) |
1998 Seicento 600M - extreme version
2000 Ford Explorer LPG'd up but well and truely f****d
1978 Replica Icsunonove w/Uno Turbo power (250bhp+ and 600kg)
2009 Abarth 500 |
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sumplug
Moderator
United Kingdom
5112 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2009 : 16:56:33
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A bit of trivia for you.
The original XR3 [on carb] had the best handling, yet worst ride.
It took nealry 30 improvements on the suspension to get it to ride and handle reasonably, due to the horizontal rear shocks. The final improved suspension went on the Mk4 version, introduced in 1986.
No car fitted with injection was set up properly at the factory. Only after they were calibrated correctly, would the engine rev properly. Most ran out of puff around 5000 revs.
Early CVH and Vauxhall fwd OHC engine cylinder heads, were cast by Fiat, as neither company had experiance with Alloy.
Steve, talking of the Moskovich. The steering column shaft was about as thick as a standard HB pencil, and would snap at any time. Indeed one did just this, when my Dad was driving one to the auctions once!! Dreadful heap of metal.
Andy. |
Fiat Coupe 20vt
Audi A6 Avant 4.2 Sport LPG
??? Wait and see!!
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julian
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
2834 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2009 : 17:12:13
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| None of the documentation we had in my shops ever listed the Mk4 as a proper version in its own right, it was always a Mk3 facelift... |
1998 Seicento 600M - extreme version
2000 Ford Explorer LPG'd up but well and truely f****d
1978 Replica Icsunonove w/Uno Turbo power (250bhp+ and 600kg)
2009 Abarth 500 |
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sumplug
Moderator
United Kingdom
5112 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2009 : 20:03:30
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Originally posted by julian
None of the documentation we had in my shops ever listed the Mk4 as a proper version in its own right, it was always a Mk3 facelift...
Had to be a Mk4, as the Mk5 came out in 1991. And that had to have a quick facelift, due to its terrible seats and suspension. But I remember something along these lines on what you say.
In the Mk4, the Zeta/Zetec engine was delayed, due to vibration issues. So the CVH soldiered on. The Escort received the new Zeta/Zetec in 1993. This engine was a dog originally, but got updated from 1993-1998, before it was completely redesigned for the Focus.
For a 16v engine, it was renowned as a 'wheezer', and unable to rev. After the redesign, it was transformed.
Originally called Zeta, it was renamed to Zetec, due to 'Zeta' being owned by Lancia!
Andy.
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Fiat Coupe 20vt
Audi A6 Avant 4.2 Sport LPG
??? Wait and see!!
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parrish
Moderator
United Kingdom
592 Posts |
Posted - 17 Dec 2009 : 02:53:19
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Dont worry about hijacking the thread Andy,
i think some of the information comming out is usefull, and im amazed that we have gone full circle from FORD to FIAT re: the CVH cylinder head casting being done by FIAT.
I must say that the Mechanical Fuel injection on the XR3i seems to be fine for me, i havent reved her too far yet but i have plenty of torque and the revs come on just fine, a quick car even by todays standards.
Steve
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Cars and bikes owned:
1983 Fiat 131,
1997 BMW Z3,
1984 XR3i,
2007 Fiesta Ghia,
2007 Harley Sportster (for sale)
2007 Sport KA
Plus three Grandchildren!
Looking for a Ferrari. |
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parrish
Moderator
United Kingdom
592 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2010 : 19:54:01
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XR3i is in Spain, five days and 1700 miles later, didnt miss a beat.
Now back to the 131.
Boot is looking like spaghetti junction! plenty of pipes every where.
All plumbed in but have the wiring to do.
Ive simplified the plumbing by placing the pressure regulator down from the high pressure pump in the boot, this way i dont need to run a return pipe from the engine bay, i simply have a single high pressure line from the boot to the fuel rail. 2 x filters fitted, one low pressure disposable filter from tank to low pressure pump and one high pressure just before the fuel rail.
Ive also now fitted the temperature sensor in an adaptor.
I should be wiring the pumps in tomorrow and hopefully sorting a programme out for starting this week or next time im home (February/March)
Steve
Boot plumbing:
Billet fuel filter in engine bay:
Water Temperature sensor fitted:
Throttle bodies:
Engine bay:
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Cars and bikes owned:
1983 Fiat 131,
1997 BMW Z3,
1984 XR3i,
2007 Fiesta Ghia,
2007 Harley Sportster (for sale)
2007 Sport KA
Plus three Grandchildren!
Looking for a Ferrari. |
Edited by - parrish on 17 Jan 2010 19:57:10 |
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parrish
Moderator
United Kingdom
592 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2010 : 01:26:29
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Back at work.
I havent managed to get the car started, Fuel regulator is apparently the wrong one, now ordered a Webcon regulator so will have to fit that next time im home (End February).
Looks like ill be taking the cam box covers off as well to give the cams a coat of cam lube before i start, engine hasent been turned over (except by hand) for nearly a year now.
Steve |
Cars and bikes owned:
1983 Fiat 131,
1997 BMW Z3,
1984 XR3i,
2007 Fiesta Ghia,
2007 Harley Sportster (for sale)
2007 Sport KA
Plus three Grandchildren!
Looking for a Ferrari. |
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sumplug
Moderator
United Kingdom
5112 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2010 : 04:56:44
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Spin the engine several times with plugs out, to help lubricate first and get a bit of pressure up.
Andy. |
Fiat Coupe 20vt
Audi A6 Avant 4.2 Sport LPG
??? Wait and see!!
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parrish
Moderator
United Kingdom
592 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2010 : 12:00:06
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OK im back from work fitted the new fuel regutor and nothing!
Can't connect with ECU following Omex instructions!
NMS tell me that a programe is already loaded so i gave it a go, but nothing, swapped the ignition leads and had a back fire, so some fuel getting through and confirmed the spark.
I have a spark, not sure about the fuel as the injectors are down stream of the throttle.
After removing the plugs which were new i found no 1 & 2 had fired No 3 & 4 seemed as new, so im guessing no fuel to the far end of the fuel rail.
Whilst im waiting for a reply from NMS i thought i would methodically work my way through everything and cross check things, first thing i checked was the trigger wheel and CPS and guess what im 10 degrees out! a whole tooth! which will make a lot of difference. Havent a clue how that happened.
Not so easy to adjust on the trigger wheel, so ill have to make a new beacket and ad the CPS by 10 degrees.
More tomorrow when i have the new bracket.
Steve |
Cars and bikes owned:
1983 Fiat 131,
1997 BMW Z3,
1984 XR3i,
2007 Fiesta Ghia,
2007 Harley Sportster (for sale)
2007 Sport KA
Plus three Grandchildren!
Looking for a Ferrari. |
Edited by - parrish on 01 Mar 2010 12:03:24 |
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parrish
Moderator
United Kingdom
592 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2010 : 08:23:54
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Im connected, bought an old lap top with a 9 pin serial port and also bought a 5M serial lead.
ECU has a programme so had a go at starting, coughing and spluttering but wont run.
Main problem seems to be the time at when the fuel injectors start injecting, this occurs at 200RPM and above, as soon as it drops below 200 the injectors cut out and you have to stop turning (ignition off) in order to allow the ecu to reset so that you can have another go.
Ive written to nms asking if the figure of 200 can be reduced allowing the injectors to work at a lower RPM on start up.
Steve |
Cars and bikes owned:
1983 Fiat 131,
1997 BMW Z3,
1984 XR3i,
2007 Fiesta Ghia,
2007 Harley Sportster (for sale)
2007 Sport KA
Plus three Grandchildren!
Looking for a Ferrari. |
Edited by - parrish on 13 Mar 2010 08:24:47 |
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Fitting an ECU/EFI onto my 131 engine.
